Supernatural 7x15 discussion
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mangacat201WOW... just WOW, show, you are in-fucking-credible when you want to be.
As you most likely already deduced I loved last night's cringe-worthy, goosepumpy, jitter-inducing gory madness to flying bits! But main reason I'm writing this review is not so much to hail Mark P.s fantastic wielding of the forked tongue (literally and figuratively, mwahaha, I get the creeps just thinking about it), but more to address the question of What Is Lucifer To Sam? and how pondering that question led me to a theory that I haven't seen considered before (and that might totally be out of whack anyway)
The different theories as to what exactly Lucifer is have been ranging from
1) A relatively 'simple' Hallucifer put together from Sam's PTSD-inducing memories to kind of externalize the crazy as a coping mechanism (that doesn't really work so well it seems), which would mean our dear Luci is all Sam - both intriguing and supported by the fact that he put pieces together that Sam had in his head but wasn't in his right mind (pun intended) to put together; assuming that he'd skimmed the coroner's report before etc.
2) An alter ego - kind of the extension of 1) to the point retaining the split-personality problem that ended season 6 outsourced into Lucifer, probably because he actually WAS Sam's alter ego i.e. possessing him for a time there and probably left a whole wad of identity issues behind in Hell!Sam.
3) A Horcrux (fans might insert 'The Potter' or 'The Dresden'-Lucifer at this point, either Harry is fine): A Part of Lucifer that was really, really attached to Sam got stuck in his soul on the way up and is now acting as Sam's own personal satellite down-link to Hell where Luci is watching topside TV as the only form of amusement he can get, while not really being able to do anything other than drive Sam crazy by talking, since most of his juice is still stuck in the cage, squabbling with Micheal for the remote.
4) An Anthropomorphic Personification: A quasi-physical entity that got dragged out on Death's coattails and is as real as you and me and the Winchesters, only on a different plane of existence and attached to Sam via their obvious history. He can't really use his full-out whammy, but he CAN influence this plane of reality to a certain point. Like a ghost.
Yes, I see your wheels turning, bringing me to my newly-formed and proposed-for-discussion theory. We've all been speculating back and forth about the question whether Bobby is a ghost and following the boys what with all the things that have happened over the last few episodes, but - and I blame that wholly on the fact that we haven't seen him in so long and we have insufficient data on the case - what if... Lucifer is an invisible entity that's been there with the boys all along, that likes to drive the Impala. And drink beer. And reads ancient Greek. And draws convenient devil's traps?
I know Sam is supposed to be aware of what Luci does and also the only one affected by his presence, but he banished him obviously enough and we have no idea what Lucifer gets up to when he's off the map, right?
Food for thought, give it to me oh flist.
As you most likely already deduced I loved last night's cringe-worthy, goosepumpy, jitter-inducing gory madness to flying bits! But main reason I'm writing this review is not so much to hail Mark P.s fantastic wielding of the forked tongue (literally and figuratively, mwahaha, I get the creeps just thinking about it), but more to address the question of What Is Lucifer To Sam? and how pondering that question led me to a theory that I haven't seen considered before (and that might totally be out of whack anyway)
The different theories as to what exactly Lucifer is have been ranging from
1) A relatively 'simple' Hallucifer put together from Sam's PTSD-inducing memories to kind of externalize the crazy as a coping mechanism (that doesn't really work so well it seems), which would mean our dear Luci is all Sam - both intriguing and supported by the fact that he put pieces together that Sam had in his head but wasn't in his right mind (pun intended) to put together; assuming that he'd skimmed the coroner's report before etc.
2) An alter ego - kind of the extension of 1) to the point retaining the split-personality problem that ended season 6 outsourced into Lucifer, probably because he actually WAS Sam's alter ego i.e. possessing him for a time there and probably left a whole wad of identity issues behind in Hell!Sam.
3) A Horcrux (fans might insert 'The Potter' or 'The Dresden'-Lucifer at this point, either Harry is fine): A Part of Lucifer that was really, really attached to Sam got stuck in his soul on the way up and is now acting as Sam's own personal satellite down-link to Hell where Luci is watching topside TV as the only form of amusement he can get, while not really being able to do anything other than drive Sam crazy by talking, since most of his juice is still stuck in the cage, squabbling with Micheal for the remote.
4) An Anthropomorphic Personification: A quasi-physical entity that got dragged out on Death's coattails and is as real as you and me and the Winchesters, only on a different plane of existence and attached to Sam via their obvious history. He can't really use his full-out whammy, but he CAN influence this plane of reality to a certain point. Like a ghost.
Yes, I see your wheels turning, bringing me to my newly-formed and proposed-for-discussion theory. We've all been speculating back and forth about the question whether Bobby is a ghost and following the boys what with all the things that have happened over the last few episodes, but - and I blame that wholly on the fact that we haven't seen him in so long and we have insufficient data on the case - what if... Lucifer is an invisible entity that's been there with the boys all along, that likes to drive the Impala. And drink beer. And reads ancient Greek. And draws convenient devil's traps?
I know Sam is supposed to be aware of what Luci does and also the only one affected by his presence, but he banished him obviously enough and we have no idea what Lucifer gets up to when he's off the map, right?
Food for thought, give it to me oh flist.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:18 am (UTC)Eagerly awaiting the Sam/Dean fix me fics. Sam just needs some love. ♥
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Date: 2012-02-20 05:10 am (UTC)Still, I can dream, can't I?
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